two ways of reading the last four years. one was electing a black president and the normalcy that would bring that melissa was just talking about would be a net positive for race relations in america and the struggle for equality and the other aspect is the way electing a black president produced back lash and sometimes very highly racialized back lash. i wonder which of those two stories seems the more compelling to you or the one that you think is the dominant story of what's happened. >> the first four years you have to divide into two segments. you have the first two years. right? where when we had a protest it was to push for health care or was to push for jobs. you had the second two years where when we had a protest it was a push back against the tea party, the back lash against the back lash. >> yes, right. >> about defending voting rights or the rights of our brown -- brothers and sisters to stay in this country. >> right. now, you know, what's clear is that the aspirations for every child in this country has gone u